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Looking for Bidule groups (bgrp) maintainer(s)

Postby davidv » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:37 am

Hi all

We've sadly been too busy writing code and doing support that we've neglegted one of our goals, which was to maintain the online database
of downloadable user made .bgrps

There are plently of good user made contributions these days (the live loopers for instance), but we feel these should be made available to all
in a convenient and centralised place (we have the bandwidth - but these files are small anyway )

You probably know about the "tools/Group Manager/Get Remote Catalog"
feature in bidule?
This basically connects to the net to fetch this file:
http://www.plogue.com/catalog/latest/catalog.xml
(human readable version:)
http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option= ... oupCatalog

First if somebody feels up to the task of updating this file to include new user contributions, we would be glad, but my point would be at least
for you to consider making .bgrp's out the all the .bidule ones that are currently available in this forum.

We just need a bgrp file, a brief description, the author and the version of your creation (yes if you find possible improvement to your groups, it would be nice to make the update available to all)

Other things to look for when building a bgrp:
highlight the group in bidule, "group/save selected group" and hit NO to keep media file references.

Thanks a lot, and happy biduling!

(sorry about the mess of my writing... dont think either my coffee of pseudoephedrin kicked yet)
David Viens,
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http://www.plogue.com

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Postby davy » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:13 am

These are mine...

http://dropbox.davyvandenbremt.be/bidule/

They're all labeled with my name, saved as .bgrp and a description is on that page.

Don't know if they're any usefull though.

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Postby Hansje » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:01 am

This basically connects to the net to fetch this file:
http://www.plogue.com/catalog/latest/catalog.xml

It's been ages since I tried that.
My current bidule tries to connect to http://www.plogue.com/catalog/0.8502/catalog.xml and reports it's unable to parse the file!

But it would be good to have some orderly .bgrp archive, I think.
Could Plogue provide some upload area? Many of the forum links are very volatile (read: dead at the moment).

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Postby seb@plogue » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:06 am

My current bidule tries to connect to http://www.plogue.com/catalog/0.8502/catalog.xml and reports it's unable to parse the file!


You're right I just fixed that and created the file.

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Postby conny » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:41 pm

Why do I get this "Cannot connect to host" when using the Group manager?

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Postby davy » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:17 am

Has somebody agreed to do this task?

Otherwise we can make some little online repository where everybody can post his groups (php/mysql or so). We can then write an export function that outputs the catalog.xml file automatically.

Someone can be assigned to decide what comes into catalog.xml and what is "repository" only. This way we can get a complete and easy to navigate online repository and a quality catalog.xml.


BTW. In the first paragraph (otherwise we ...) you can change every "we" into "i" :) So I'm not afraid to do this.

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Postby seb@plogue » Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:30 pm

Has somebody agreed to do this task?


not yet.

if you want to play with how it should work, see the format:

http://www.plogue.com/catalog/0.9/catalog.xml

if the url attribute doesn't contain http, it assumes that the url is relative to where the catalog.xml file is. (it's also possible that using a complete url doesn't work, I can't remember if this ever got tested)

To test a remote catalog, go to the registry for PlogueBidule and add a String value with the key CatalogURL and set the new URL there, set it to an empty string to go back to the default plogue.com one. I'll add something in 0.9001 so that it can be done from the Group Manager window.

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Postby conny » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:54 pm

Seb -
I looked at the xml and thought there should be a level of "category" in the tree. I this ships well and groups are getting in at some speed, then a looong list may be inconvinient without some middle levels.

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Postby conny » Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:58 pm

BTW, is there a "update" thing with the online groups?
If a group is changed but name etc are the same, will it be considered new and overwrite my current version?
Guess not.

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Postby seb@plogue » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:10 pm

as in

<Category name ="xxx">
...
<CatalogEntry>
...
</Category>

or

<CatalogEntry ...category=""...>

#1 would make easier in a XML viewer (close/open entire categories)
but might require rewriting parsing of the remote catalog as well as break it for version before the one implementing it (I need to check how the CatalogEntry are fetched from the document)

#2 would make it possible to build pages using the tag and the parsing will still work for sure. The xml file isn't made for human consumption. and to update/add a tag in a big file would be an equivalent pain whether category is a tag or an attribute.

re: update: there's already code to separate what's new from what's updated (what you already have locally but has a higher version number on the server but we haven't tested that in ages)

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Postby conny » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:19 pm

The first category tagging is more obvious/clear, but it's all about the parsing/presentation/user interface in the end.
Good with attrributes are you could add more of them, getting a multi dimensional space of categories.

I was thinking the structure as a tree, and then attributes may not be expandable as such, but I guess they could be remapped to expandable presentations in browser/group manager.

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Postby seb@plogue » Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:28 pm

I'm trying to find a good compromise that will work now hence why I'm more tempted by #2.

But in the long run, I agree that #1 with the possibility of having category tags inside a category tag would be the best solution.

Bottom line is, we don't want to design the XML specs now for an overhauled group management we haven't thoroughly thought thru yet.

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Postby davy » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:31 pm

I like the attribute idea for category. Is extensible to tagging too.

How does everyone see the bidule group page? People need to register before they can post their groups? Would a commenting system be nice? Versioning? Any other ideas?

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Postby conny » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:44 pm

Commenting - General info, some hints of use etc, prerecuisites (spell...) Some stuff just get's in the usual layout forum, maybe.
Versioning - yes, guess it's part of the game.

And vetsion is clearly an attribute IMHO.

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Postby davy » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:47 pm

Well, by versioning I meant something like this...

Suppose you develop some group. I think... 'Well, that's nice, but I would change this and that'. Now I can post mine too. Do we put these somehow together? Or is this a new group?


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