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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby boonier » Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:14 am

seb@plogue wrote:Doing another version of a "polyphonic" adapter would require the end user to manage UIDs for "voices", I'm not sure how that would work.


Maybe this version of the poly adapter would be required to work with specialised 'Voice creators/extractors'. There could there be a counter input on the Voice creator, or an internal counter in the settings for the adapter that the user sets the Max value for voices.

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby jersmi » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:18 pm

boonier wrote:
seb@plogue wrote:Doing another version of a "polyphonic" adapter would require the end user to manage UIDs for "voices", I'm not sure how that would work.


Maybe this version of the poly adapter would be required to work with specialised 'Voice creators/extractors'. There could there be a counter input on the Voice creator, or an internal counter in the settings for the adapter that the user sets the Max value for voices.

Nice! Counter: an input or setting to Accum index for each UID, something like that? Maybe min/max for index range?

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby seb@plogue » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:54 am

But how would it generate a specific voice off message? Some kind of value would have to be associated to a voice by the user so that a specific voice off can be generated.

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby boonier » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:13 am

I guess the internal envelope gate could govern that, using the activity output of the group. Would it need a UID if the counter is only accumulating then wrapping round? i dunno, I'm not thinking straight maybe! Need to give some more thought for ideas...You're the don when it comes to this :)

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby seb@plogue » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:28 am

If we are talking about voices being only triggered and their lifetime being governed by an envelope only being dependent on a trigger then yes it should be transparent to the user, I'm more concerned with voices being triggered in a MIDI Note-like fashion with distinct events to turn on or off a voice.

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby boonier » Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:03 am

seb@plogue wrote:If we are talking about voices being only triggered and their lifetime being governed by an envelope only being dependent on a trigger then yes it should be transparent to the user, I'm more concerned with voices being triggered in a MIDI Note-like fashion with distinct events to turn on or off a voice.


I guess conceptually then, this leads to bigger things/decisions on how best to go about this, if it were to happen... Personally, I'm for the idea of being able to trigger a voice with a load of parameters containing info for pitch, velocity, pan, cutoff, legato, bitcrush dry/wet (whatever). But I appreciate this is not the framework that currently exists in bidule. I guess that this design doesn't gel to well to midi-like events with specific keys, but it would be very useful nevertheless.

Maybe there could be a two-pronged approach to dealing with polyphonic groups... midi-style or round-robin style. Could they coexist happily?

As ever your implementations are thoughtful and refreshingly different, so we're all ears for what you think.

ps. the new update is looking mighty juicy - i think a lot of users' christmases have come at once! thank you

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby tubsen » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:05 pm

Please can anyone compile the TrigRand/TrigRandF plugin for windows.
That would be great!
Cheers,
tl.

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby jersmi » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:36 pm

There's a new Noise (triggered) with low dsp. Why bother?

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby ZergFood » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:41 pm

This thread got me thinking. Some sort of MIDI Bidule that would swap the two data bytes would be very useful (the ones that follow the channel/command).

e.g for this case we could just Swap the note data (velocity becomes note, note becomes velocity), use Note Shuffler, then swap back.

The swap bidule can be completely generic and ignore the first byte.

This would open much more possibilities to manipulate MIDI directly with MIDI bidules without resorting to poly adapter and such needed for audio bidules.

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby seb@plogue » Tue Feb 24, 2015 10:00 am

It would be easy to add swap for Note, CC and Aftertouch in the MIDI Message Remapper.

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Re: Midi Velocity Shuffler

Postby tubsen » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:08 am

jersmi wrote:There's a new Noise (triggered) with low dsp. Why bother?


you're right. i overlooked the completely identical functionality. thanks for the tip.

cheers,
tl.


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